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DefinedMeaning talk:Vater (5472)

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The DM seems to have been started from Vater/Father as a term of address to God, not actually intending to define the concept of God itself. Later were added SynTranses for God in general, and Definitions were added trying to define the concept of God.

Conclusion: The DM needs to be split into one DM defining the term of address and one DM defining the concept of God itself.--Sannab 21:07, 29 October 2006 (CET)

A question is whether a term of address is to be considered as a different definedMeaning from the noun used at the 3rd person, or as the same definedMeaning with a different usage. This difference is like the vocative/other cases differences and, in fact, the usual term (God, Dieu, Dios etc.) can also be used as a term of address in many languages, and the term of address can also be used at the 3rd person ("the Father", "le Père", "el Padre" etc.).

Another, to my mind more serious, problem is that "Father" is not a synonymous of "God" in Christianity. And, in French, "Notre-Seigneur" is yet another definedMeaning. God is one in 3 persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus, Notre-Seigneur), and the Holy Spirit, each of the three being God. The term "Father" is not used to address the 3 persons at once. But it is difficult to explain this in a short definition, and many theologians hold that there cannot exist any definition of God. Moreover, in Judaism, there aren't several persons in God, so that "Father" and "God" can be regarded as one definedMeaning, though the usage of the 2 terms is different. The present state of this article is not acceptable, but correcting it is difficult.--Fiable.biz 06:24, 28 July 2012 (CEST)