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DefinedMeaning talk:fly (6052)

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Either the definition is wrong, or translations need to be added, because this definition would also include a blimp, but... a blimp does not fly! At least not in Germany :), there it "drives" (fährt). And if I am not mistaken, rockets don't fly either. So, I think the definiton of flying needs to include the technique, which basically can be reduced to "utilizing the Bernoulli effect", or, in laymen terms "utilizing wings" --dh 15:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
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In French, blimps fly... Anything that moves autonomously flies (and also, by extension, things that are thrown). So the definition is perfect for French.
From a google query "blimp flies", it also seems that the verb fly is used in English as well. Same with "rocket flies". So the definition seems also to work for English.
So I am not sure how we should handle the German in this case, maybe mark it as a non-identical translation (and add also the non-identical translation "fahren"), and create two more specific DMs, one for objects with wings and one for blimps and the likes ?? --Kipcool 21:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
In Germany most people also use the term "fliegen" for baloons (blimps and rockets are rather rare), but it actually is not proper, therefore one has to be careful with google searches. Just because something is believed to be true or right by many people doesn't make it so. Rather ask an aviation specialist. Besides, if, for example, balls do fly, then the definition does not include them right now since a ball is not autonomous.
So, since we would need two additional DMs anyway, and we are actually dealing with three different concepts (thrown objects, autonomous flying by utilizing wings and autonomous "flying" by utilizing buoyancy), and maybe even more (a rocket "flies" by utilizing thrust), I tend to vote for splitting it by adjusting this DM to fit, for example, the "flying by wings" definiton, create DMs for the others and add flying or whatever term fits in the different languages to the different concepts. But then, since "fliegen", flying, etc is actually used for all kinds of movement through the air, we'd still need a DM to cover that. But then we have to take out the "autonomous" for balls etc., I believe. Not sure right now, I am going to postphone any further thinking about it for now... --dh 01:00, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
OK, I've managed to clarify the situation a bit: Balloons and traditional airships (Zeppelin) do not "fly" (at least not in German, there they drive (fahren)), since they do not depend on vertical movement (dynamical lift) to get into the air. But modern Zeppelins do fly (fliegen) because they depend on movement to get in the air, that is, without vertical movement they sink to earth But this implies that they either have wings, or are formed like a giant wing, e.g they utilize the Bernouli effect. --dh 15:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Something else: The definition right now does not imply kites either since a kite is connected to the ground. --dh 19:36, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

The current definition "To move autonomously through the air, without any part of the object or object's enclosure touching anything attached to the ground" can be shortened to "To move autonomously through the air, without touching anything attached to the ground." --InfoCan 19:56, 2 April 2012 (CEST)