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DefinedMeaning talk:preposition (409140)

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A preposition can be a phrase, such as "in spite of", "with respect to". I change the definitions in English, French and Castilian for that.
But this is not all: is there any reason to restrict so much the definition? (Presently "A word or locution that works as a marker of the grammatical role of the following noun or noun phrase."). A preposition can be placed before a pronoun: "Give it to him.", before a verb: "It's beautiful to see, not good to eat.", before a clause: "I'm fed up with being waken up every night.", before an adjective: "Tomorrow the weather will be from cloudy to rainy.", before an adverb: "These pupils learn between slowly and very slowly.". See Wikipedia.
I propose as definition: "A word or locution able to act as a marker of the grammatical function of a following noun or noun phrase. (Some prepositions are also able to play the same role in front of other words or phrases.)". --Fiable.biz 01:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

I agree with your proposal. Thanks. --InfoCan 14:37, 14 August 2012 (CEST)
Done in some languages.--Fiable.biz 15:12, 14 August 2012 (CEST)
  • Actually, I think I agreed too quickly. I think the definition needs to be more succinct. A definition that requires a second sentence to deal with exceptions to the first sentence needs to be tightened. I modified the definition given in Wiktionary to the following, how does it look?
Any of a closed class of non-inflecting words typically employed to connect a noun or a pronoun, with some other word or phrase, and expressing a relation between them.
--InfoCan 19:49, 14 August 2012 (CEST)
I agree it should be one sentence, but a succinct definition of a complex notion won't fit. I don't like "typically" for 2 reasons: firstly, being ABLE to connect a noun is a requirement to be a preposition, secondly, many preposition have so many other common usages that this "typical" usage is no so typical. Moreover "Any close class" is just wrong. A preposition is not a class of word, but a word or a phrase. What about:
"A word or phrase able to connect a following noun or noun phrase (and often other parts of the speech) as a complement to some other part of the sentence, expressing a relation between them."
?--202.179.7.6 03:02, 15 August 2012 (CEST)
I got the "any of a closed class" from the Wiktionary definition, I think that should have been "any member of a closed class", meaning that the number of prepositions in a language is limited. In English they constitute a small number of functional words like to, on, off, etc. Their number is limited because you cannot create as preposition as easily as you can create, say, a verb from a noun (e.g., institution -> institutionalize). However, I am not sure whether it is important to mention this characteristic of prepositions in the definition. Either way, your last definition is a fine. --InfoCan 10:57, 16 August 2012 (CEST)
Thank you. Done in 4 languages. --Fiable.biz 12:17, 16 August 2012 (CEST)

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  • The definition in language "bul" (Bulgarian) is out of sync.
  • The definition in language "nld" (Dutch) is out of sync.
  • The definition in language "deu" (German) is out of sync.
  • The definition in language "avk" (Kotava) is out of sync.
  • The definition in language "swe" (Swedish) is out of sync.