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Welcome to OmegaWiki ! I hope you have fun on our new project :) Please create yourself some Babel templates and please read about the DefinedMeaning. When you have questions, please ask consider using the IRC channel. :) Thanks, GerardM 10:57, 10 July 2006 (CEST)

NB the way you created your Babel template is different from how it is usually done .. :) GerardM 10:57, 10 July 2006 (CEST)

  • Yes, i know. I could not find what I needed. Template:babel-N is more general & easier to use. The Esperanto, and the Ripuarian Wikipedias have a similar one. -- Purodha Blissenbach 04:57, 15 July 2006 (CEST)


Thanks for correcting it :-) --Sabine 12:25, 12 July 2006 (CEST)


I did not find PS .. Thanks, GerardM 00:46, 15 July 2006 (CEST)

PS did you already notice that you can edit ?

  • I could not find Montenegro :-(
  • Is West Sahara (EH) - not listed by SIL and occupied by Morocco since years - to be included here?
  • Same question about Tibet, only I don't have the country code.
  • No, not seen yet. I've been reading ... trying to find out how this all works, and did not stumble over something that called for being edited :-)
  • I think, I am going to import some Swadesh Lists these days :-) for startes. -- Purodha Blissenbach 04:54, 15 July 2006 (CEST)

nds-nl and Alemannisch[edit]

The templates for these projects have not been included in OmegaWiki. The nds-nl dialects are all considered languages and have the appropriate languages codes. I would even say that the continued existence of nds is problematic in the long run...

For Alemannisch the WMF project codes are als. As a language they do not exist because Wikipedia informs that there would be FOUR types of Alemannisch. To make it worse, the names used in Ethnologue are different from the ones mentioned there AND the name Alemannisch is reserved to serve as an alternate name.

OmegaWiki folows ISO-639-3 and certainly not the politically chosen names of Wikipedia. Thanks, GerardM 07:42, 16 July 2006 (CEST)

  • abselutely agreed on nds - its imho to be seen as a collective code (which is fine). Using collective codes in Babel is imho also good, at least on levels 1 & 2, so as to avoid having to name hundreds of variant language, saying basically "oh yes, I also understand the language of village (N+1)" where differences are known to be not prohibitive…
  • imho nds-nl is (roughly) nothing but a spelling variant of the "western" nds. We have to account for spelling variants. I'm certain, spoken nds-nl is much more comprehensable to the average northern/northwestern German than written nds-nl is, unless they know how to read the clefs, or nl, spelling.
  • There is more types of Allemannic then 4. I read the SIL / ISO-639-3 entries before I created the gsw templates, wondering wether it should not be named Schwitzerdytsch since 4.7 Mio call it so, versus a collection of <less>. I've seen also this to be a group code, sooner or later, but as ISO/DIS 639-3 is presently, we do not have the finer granularity, unfortunately.

-- Purodha Blissenbach 09:41, 16 July 2006 (CEST)


Hi, Purodha. I saw you created Portal:Latn ([1]) with template calls of the form "{{script Latn use xxx}}". Before I expand that list of languages with more languages that use Latn, I hope to understand the "script Xxxx use yyy" templates so I can build them.

What should the "script Xxxx use yyy" templates do? Rod A. Smith 21:33, 19 July 2006 (CEST) and[edit]

Who actually is requesting these domains should be asked on the foundation list. It could well be that some funny person just bought these domains and then wants to resell at a higher price. --Sabine 16:26, 3 August 2006 (CEST)


I'll send the mail pointing to our discussion. And I'll come back to you with the other stuff asap. Ciao, --Sabine 09:46, 4 August 2006 (CEST)

Good job[edit]

) You created the right word .. I have added it to the apropriate collection (iso-639-3) GerardM 02:14, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
Oh you did already - I was not sure (out of my head) if it is Portal:pam, so I would have had to look it up. Tx. for saving my time :-) -- Purodha Blissenbach 02:17, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
Since I've make Babel templates, i know at least all the languages that have Wikimedia Projects by heart, and Pampangan is among them :-) -- Purodha Blissenbach 02:19, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
I had another look at your profile and found that many language portals were missing.. I have added those for you.. now just to find someone to translate those templates right :) GerardM 02:26, 30 August 2006 (CEST)
We have about 250 or so languages with Babel templates in the [ Ripuarian WP] but since Tim Starling purposely broke the template expansion, saying he found it ugly, we do not have a usable list any more. It's been two peole only who collected the stuff, of course it's only as complete as we could locate the etxts elsewhere. -- Purodha Blissenbach 02:34, 30 August 2006 (CEST)


Mal schaun ob ich um 4.40 Uhr wach bin ... leider haben wir 3Sat seit dem letzten starken Sturm nicht mehr (Astra kommt schlecht rein). Ciao :-)--Sabine 09:48, 30 August 2006 (CEST)



would you be able to summarize what you said on Luna's talk page? It's so long that I don't get your point at all (it's always good to be concise :p). As for the decision of separating pejorative DM from normal DM, I think you/we should discuss that with Gerard (who said it was ok for now) and others on IRC and/or on the International Beer Parlour. Cheers, Kipcool 16:45, 30 August 2006 (CEST)

  • The summary is on the articles talk page, and I agree with GerardM. -- Purodha Blissenbach 17:36, 30 August 2006 (CEST)

Babel :-)[edit]

I wanted to add the OLPC contributor babel to your user page ... but that doens't work .... why? Could you please help me on how to integrate it? Thank you!!! --Sabine 23:25, 5 October 2006 (CEST)

I did so, and it was 100% straightforward. Just had to insert "|OLPC contributor" in front of the final "}}" of the "{{Babel-N| … }}" template call. --Purodha Blissenbach 17:00, 7 October 2006 (CEST)


Hi, as you might have already noted we are working on the OLPC Children's Dictionary. Actually I am the one trying to get as many people contributing as possible and therefore I prepared this message. I am wondering if you would like to help us and work on ten words: OLPC Children's Dictionary/1000 Basic words/Wordgroup 007. What does contribute mean? Translate the definitions and words into your mother tongue (deu) :-) I really hope to see your "Yes I will do" note on my discussion page :-) I will then add the template to make sure nobody else will work on these 10 words. Thank you! --Sabine 21:39, 9 October 2006 (CEST)

Please provide feedback in the Insect room[edit]

Hi Purodha, in the past you have made a comment or reported an issue in the Insect room that requires your feedback. Please visit the page and add any information you can or that is requested on the issue. If it has been resolved, please do not hesitate to mention that. Thank you for any feedback in advance. Siebrand 10:00, 17 November 2006 (CET)


has now changed to .236 --MartinMai 16:45, 16 January 2007 (EST)

DM, notions, database et tutti quanti[edit]


would you have a look at user:spir/Notion ? And tell me what you think about it.
Thank you, Denis --spir 10:02, 22 September 2008 (EDT)

PS : saw your Mißtranslated :-)


Wieso kann ich hier nicht editieren? Gruß,--Tilla 21:48, 12 May 2009 (EDT)

Recent Contributions[edit]

I appreciate your efforts to add content in Kölsch, but there are some problems with your definitions. "Proverb telling us" is bad style and not suited for a dictionary. "It can be used in multiple ways, such as a warning not be that careless, so as to convey a guess or an assumption or implied knowledge about the origin of a born or unborn child, and so on." This is not part of the definition, it's an annotation or usage note. And why the repetition "guess, assumption or implied knowledge". Again, bad style. One last thing, we prefer to add phrases without a full stop at the end because it looks better. --Tosca 21:24, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Definitions are from various source text, shortened relentlessly and translated, thus I neither want to attribute them to any one any more, nor did I note, what I took from where. The "us" after "telling" must have slipped through the shortening process, feel free to slash it, this is a wiki, best making the 1st definition better while untranslated. "Guess", "assumption", and "knowledge", implied or not, are three different things :-) at least before my translation. You're right, that should go into a usage annotation. I cannot help against full stops. Sentences end in full stops, having them isn't a matter of taste. I fully agree with you, I found "– Watt dä Buur nit kännt, dat friß dä nit.: Proverb telling that …" ugly, but that's a presentational matter of software in its pre-alpha state deserving enhancement. It cannot, however, alter the way, sentences are written. Proverbs are sentences according to our definition. --Purodha Blissenbach 22:31, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
A proverb does not take a capital letter at the beginning, and no dot at the end, because it can be included in the middle of a larger sentence, between two commas, etc. It is also the convention at OmegaWiki. It is also the convention at Wiktionary (e.g. [2]), with the same reasoning. --Kip 08:33, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
You are right in the sense that there are proverbs not comprising proper sentences, eg. lacking a verb, even an implied one. On my list, I found three, out of some four+ dozen ones in 5 languages. I am not aware of proverbs being used as phrases inside sentences. I've seen, or heard, uses which I regarded as quotations of proverbs, of course; will have to give those a closer look, whether they can be interpreted as phrasal uses. In my environment at least such uses would be rare, since proverbs are most usually spoken
  1. as separate sentences with pretty long pauses before and thereafter. or
  2. as voluntarily incomplete sentences, or half-quotes, eg. Isch sach joh: ,Wat dä Buur nit kännt, … ' (pause) (finish)
in the typical rhinelandic manner of making things obvious, without expressing them verbally. --Purodha Blissenbach 11:38, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I just happened to step on a set of instances where other contributors apparently choose to start proverbs being sentences proper with an uppercase letter where grammar would advise otherwise, if they were seen as phrasal expressions:
, they're all linked to one DM. Greetings --Purodha Blissenbach 12:05, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
At least they did not put a dot at the end, so it is only partly wrong.
And I am right anyway: [3]. --Kip 12:17, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
I got the trait.
Apparently, we have three somewhat different definitions of "proverb" :-)
Well to be honest, I don't have any of "proverb", only of "Sprichwort", which translate to each other but may not match in each and every aspect.
In my understanding, adding a cross-sentence joiner "but" to the beginnig of a sentence merely creates a variation too close to deserve an extra treatment. The same is true, if you join a series of sentences of equal level with "and" or commas. Putting full stops in their places is usually a very insignificant change almost as unimportant as changing column width and getting different line wraps and hyphenation. In spoken language, you would not even be able to tell commas from full stops.
On the other hand, I see what you mean by phrasal references to proverbs, wich in my understanding is not the proverbs themselves. A pragmatic approach making no difference between either is of course making sense to me. Then one would have still to consider those proverbs that can be proper sentences on their own as phrasal expressions that need no initial capital and shouldn't have one and requiring a full stop, comma or sentence joiner at their end, but that is a grammatical (syntactical) property.
Following that idea, we should however, alter the current definition to refer to an expression which could be comprising a subsentence or phrase, which it currently does not. ("A widely known, fixed sentence, that expresses a maxim or a wisdom in a short and concise way.")
--Purodha Blissenbach 19:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

WMF support?[edit]

Hello. Would you be willing to indicate your opinion at Meta:WMF support regarding WikiMedia Foundation supporting OmegaWiki? Because of the small size of our community, every voice will be important. Thanks. --InfoCan 16:36, 4 April 2012 (CEST)

Done. -- 08:04, 5 April 2012 (CEST)


Good day, I just want to clarify your reason for adding the definition "A prostitute who walks the streets to attract customers." to Buddhism. I do not see any connection. No offense meant, just want clarification. Thanks. 向榮 /Hiong3-eng5/ (talk) 23:19, 5 September 2013 (CEST)

Indeed, it seems you added DefinedMeaning:streetwalker_(1055150) to subject:buddhism, some time ago. --Kip (talk) 10:53, 6 September 2013 (CEST)
I do not really understand what this is about. If I did add "A prostitute who walks the streets to attract customers." to "Buddhism", which I do not remember, then it has to be some sort of mistake. The definition imho does fit "streewalker", but not "buddhism". I'll have to investigete … --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 13:20, 6 September 2013 (CEST)

POS import[edit]

Regarding the import of parts of speech (or part of speeches - I prefer that plural ;-) ), I was thinking of using the data from Wiktionary.

English is probably not a good language, since verbs, nouns and adjectives can be written the same, but German could be a nice start (except for adjectives and adverbs), or French, or Spanish (which has the most words after English).

The idea is that if one spelling has only one part of speech according to Wiktionary, then we can give that part of speech to the same spelling at OmegaWiki as well.

Then for other languages, like English, we can deduce the part of speech according to the part of speech of the translations (by some kind of voting).

We can then use the API to add POS with a bot (something like this ). --Kip (talk) 10:50, 6 September 2013 (CEST)

Ja ... das Leben[edit]

geht manchmal seltsame Wege. Frängischa Grüß :-))) --Sabine (talk) 13:38, 19 September 2013 (CEST)

"noun" in Kölsch[edit]

Hi, Purdoha. Is Expression:Saachwoot correct in Kölsch? And its synonyms? Malafaya (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2013 (CEST)

It looks okay at first sight, although I doubt the word itself is widely used (the synonymes are) Do you have a reason why you ask? --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 20:59, 14 October 2013 (CEST)
Because of [4] .Malafaya (talk) 21:37, 14 October 2013 (CEST)

Editable languages numbered list[edit]

For the page Editable languages, a numbered list is a good idea, but this page is generated automatically by the importLangNames script, so that your modification will be overwritten when the script is called again. It has to be modified directly in the code of SpecialImportLangNames.php . --Kip (talk) 19:37, 3 December 2013 (CET)

I knew from the history list. I am trying to enhance the format so as to get rid of at least some of the red links. I am going to tell you once I have something working. --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 21:24, 3 December 2013 (CET)

This is weird[edit]

This: User_talk:Robykiwi#Skup_aut_we_Wroc.C5.82awiu_87f007 . My guess is that the passwords have not been hacked but they are using a vulnerability to make it look like an edit from a known user. Only a guess. I'll upgrade MW to have the latest security version, and then if you want you can change your password. --Kip (talk) 11:04, 18 September 2014 (CEST)

My guess was the same. I did not have time to investigate :-( --Purodha Blissenbach (talk) 12:36, 20 September 2014 (CEST)


Ciao Purodha, Thieves cant.... See Expression:teamleider :-)  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  14:20, 13 January 2016 (CET)