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"Translated text attribute"

Hello. What is supposed to be in the field "Translated text attribute"? (talk)

Hi, currently there is only "etymology" and "usage note", because e.g. for a French word you can write its etymology in French but also in English, etc.
These two annotations are available at syntrans level (so-called "lexical annotations"), i.e. at the top of the page when you edit an Expression: page, or in the annotation column of synonyms-translations.
There is no "Translated text attribute" at DM level (so-called "semantic annotations"), so it appears empty there. --Kip (talk) 12:27, 14 April 2018 (CEST)
I added the etymology of "Expression:etymology", in French and English. --Kip (talk) 12:35, 14 April 2018 (CEST)

Adding links to Omegawiki to Wikidata

From a spot check, most definedmeanings here link to relevant wikidata IDs, but the reverse is not true; only a small number have return links via P1245. Is there a script or labs tool that helps add these IDs to wikidata? Sj (talk) 22:56, 3 May 2018 (CEST)

Indeed we currently have 10144 (of our 50509 concepts) that are linked to Wikidata. We use that mostly to link to the relevant wikipedia page when it is available.
I don't know wikidata scripts or lab tools. I think GerardM would know the best, unfortunately (for us) he now put all his energy into wikidata and de facto left Omegawiki.

--Kip (talk) 21:00, 4 May 2018 (CEST)

I never looked into WikiData ... and I also forgot many things about OmegaWiki ... but maybe the group is a way to get people to help? How to add an OmegaWiki link to Wikidata? Hmmm ... Sabine (talk)
I use Wikidata a lot doing - among other actions like manually adding descriptions sometimes from here - the contrary. What you asked, Sj would be a lot easier if our request we made five years ago to join WMF would be accepted and made official.

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 Klaas `Z4␟` V:  07:52, 12 September 2018 (CEST)

Change User Name

Huh ... I am wondering if it is possible to change my user name - I got married so it is really weird for me to see "SabineCretella" up there ... or should I create another user and simply give me all rights? -- Sabine (talk)

It is possible, and also the best solution, to change your user name.
I installed the extension for this. As a bureaucrat you can do it yourself there: . --Kip (talk) 20:55, 10 May 2018 (CEST)
It worked !!!!! Thank you! Yay ... ok, hopefully I will be able to do what I am planning to do ... let's see :-))) --Sabine (talk)
Cool! I did the same to get a name I have on practically all WMF-sites as well. KlaasZ4usV as my sig already shows:  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  22:03, 22 May 2018 (CEST)

Expression:animal - please have a look

Hi, there are two definitions for the substantive that are in the end the same. Should we keep it? If so: all translations may be copied there. animal--Sabine (talk) 06:54, 14 January 2019 (CET)

Hi, I think it is on purpose,
one definition is all animals, including humans (so, the biological/scientific definition)
the other definitions is for animals, excluding humans (so, a rather anthropocentric/philosophical definition)
this distinction is also made in other dictionaries, such as (see definitions 1 and 2a).
--Kip (talk) 21:42, 14 January 2019 (CET)
OK, thanks :-) --Sabine (talk) 07:31, 15 January 2019 (CET)

Semi-automatic import from Wikidata

Hi, I am considering creating a script that would allow semi-automatic import from Wikidata (it imports the list automatically, but the user would need to have a quick look at it to see if something seems wrong, and then click on save).

It would work a bit like the semi-automatic import script for Wiktionary (anyone has it? / uses it?), but a bit simpler to use since we don't need to manually copy/paste wikicode. Simply enter a Wikidata ID as we already do, and then there would be a button "import translations". Then the user sees what has been imported, and also has information of what was not imported and why (e.g. language unknown, or translation for that language already there).

From what I have seen, the translations at Wikidata are mostly ok. I propose to use the column "label" and "also known as". I just noticed that sometimes, words are capitalized when they shouldn't be.

So my question is this: do you also consider the translations from Wikidata ok. Did you already do some manual import of it, and did you notice anything that we should pay attention to if I make that script? --Kip (talk) 22:12, 12 February 2019 (CET)

Many times descriptions (our DefinedMeaning) are wrong or missing so I have to update them manually. Translations in general are ok. Many times I copied them manually. Such a tool helps a lot! #tia Kip. I never used a script to copy from Wiktionary; I rarely visit the Dutch Wiktionary, other languages even less. Greetings & salutations, Klaas `Z4␟` V:  12:31, 14 February 2019 (CET)
Ok well for the wiktionary script, I thought I had made it available to all sysops but actually it is only available to me :p
It is a script that is made to work with the English Wiktionary (I have not adapted it to other wiktionaries, since they have less translations). If anyone is interested, tell me, I can easily make it available but I would have to write a small how-to-use page. --Kip (talk) 20:47, 14 February 2019 (CET)
Importing from Wiktionaries would be very interesting ... since a lot can be done without the help of too many people. :-))) -Sabine (talk) 20:22, 16 February 2019 (CET)
So I wrote a help page and made the tool available to all sysops.
Help:Semi-automatic import Wiktionary
It can be that you need to refresh you cache to see it (Ctrl+Shift+R to refresh).
I hope it helps :)
(This is for Wiktionary, not yet for Wikidata) --Kip (talk) 22:07, 16 February 2019 (CET)
Wow ... this stuff works ... and it helps a lot. -Sabine (talk) 22:59, 16 February 2019 (CET)

More on the "Wikidata" subject: I just realized that Wikidata also has links to OmegaWiki. For example the Wikidata ID for dog has a link to the corresponding OW DM id. I don't know if it's one of use adding it there, or if it is somebody else. I also don't know if they reuse links that we have or if there are links that we could import. According to this page [1], Wikidata has somewhere between 500 and 1000 links to OW. On our side, we have a bit more than 10.000 links to Wikidata.

And also:

  • Wikidata has links to WordNet ID as well, and I was considering adding these to OW so that we can import translations from multilingual wordnet ( or ) as well as relations (hypernyms, antonyms, etc.)
  • Wikidata also encodes some semantic relations that we might want to include in OW. For dog, there are relations such as "dog can be used as pet", "dog uses a dog bed", "a dog can bark", etc.

So there are actually some things that we can import with a bot. If I had time I could have some fun with this...

PS: And also I am a Wikidata entity . It says I am human :) --Kip (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2019 (CET)

Since I added my first WikidataID to OmegaWiki today - it was not easy to find out where to add it, so I made some changes on Help:Wikidata_ID. Now I was looking at Wikidata and tried to figure out how to add the OmegaWiki-ID there ... no chance. Could we add this to our help section as well?
I would like to understand more about wordnet ... --Sabine (talk) 14:34, 27 February 2019 (CET)
I added a section about editing Wikidata, although I don't have much experience about it myself. --Kip (talk) 15:07, 27 February 2019 (CET)
I have made small cosmetic changes to the import script: the window now follows you when you scroll down, and you can also move it (e.g. if you drag it from the top). Kip.
I will try this out soon :-))) --Sabine (talk) 20:10, 27 February 2019 (CET)


WordNet is originally an English language dictionary / ontology. It is, like us, based on concepts (they call it "synset" and it corresponds to our DefinedMeaning): all synonyms will share the same definition and will share the same relations (hypernym, hyponym, etc.) to the other words.

Now, while WordNet is only in English, there are many linguists around the world who developed WordNet for other languages, based on the original WordNet, i.e. reusing the same senses. The licenses vary but most are open, and there are apparently more than 100 languages.

So if we link our DefinedMeaning to a WordNet Synset ID, it becomes possible to import translations from the various wordnets. --Kip (talk) 15:07, 27 February 2019 (CET)

Change name to OLPC Children's dictionary or create a new collection

So here I am with my next question: time ago we worked on the OLPC Chidren's dictionary. OLPC seems to be a dead project therefore we should or rename it or create simply a Children's dictionary, that is a new collection. For "historical reference" I would leave OLPC and create a new collection. I know where to create it, but I don't remember how to do it and what to change. Could we add the how-to to the help pages, please? That would be great! --Sabine (talk) 21:50, 17 February 2019 (CET)

I hope it helps Help:Adding a collection :) --Kip (talk) 21:29, 18 February 2019 (CET)
Don't know for OLPC, if it is better to start another Children's dictionary from scratch or to reuse that one. I don't know who used to add words to that collection. Probably I just will agree with you then :) --Kip (talk) 21:29, 18 February 2019 (CET)
Thank you! I will try this out tomorrow morning. I am talking with someone you might know. I will write more, as soon as I have news. --Sabine (talk) 21:34, 18 February 2019 (CET)

Wiktionaries on Icubator

In a translation break I just had a look at the wiktionaries on Incubator. Most of them had their last edit years ago. Maybe it would make sense to contact these people and tell them, that they can add their language here. Incubator is a place where people get stuck, they don't see development and so they stop working in their mother language. This could be a win-win situation for all. --Sabine (talk) 13:35, 3 March 2019 (CET)

I also noted that scn.wiktionary which I was asked to build many years ago, is basically dead ... --Sabine (talk) 13:39, 3 March 2019 (CET)
One could even argue that it is relatively easy (doable...) to create a Wiktionary from OmegaWiki. I mean if they start with OmegaWiki, add definitions, and later want to move on to a proper Wiktionary they can always export all data without loss. --Kip (talk) 10:03, 4 March 2019 (CET)
Indeed that would be an argument ... thank's for the hint :-) --Sabine (talk) 11:21, 4 March 2019 (CET)


I just changed our license to CC0.

This was what we wanted from the beginning (i.e. the closest possible to public domain), but CC0 did not exist at the time so we used other licenses that we found to be the most open. Words and translations cannot be copyrighted, and it is dubious whether definitions could, so anyway this is the license that makes sense. Only my javascripts could be copyrighted :P --Kip (talk) 21:32, 4 March 2019 (CET)

yesssss :-) --Sabine (talk) 21:54, 4 March 2019 (CET)
Great!! Klaas `Z4␟` V:  17:47, 9 April 2019 (CEST)


I just was reading this page, since I was wondering, if it makes sense to publish our "how-to"-pages via facebook and twitter every now and then. This is good for a wikipedian or wiktionaryian, but for a normal person who maybe wishes to add terminology it is too difficult. If it is fine for you, I will create two sections

  1. For people not knowing at all, what a wiki is
  2. For people knowing how to edit wikis

I don't know when I will have time, but would put it on my to-do list. --Sabine (talk) 19:10, 25 March 2019 (CET)

This page is outdated... :(
There is now a new log in process (because of spam), it is actually quite simple with very few fields to fill in ( see )
When a user fills this form, they receive a confirmation e-mail. When they click the e-mail, I receive a notification.
There is a free text where the users usually indicate the languages they speak. I then create manually their Babel template on their user page based on the text (so that they don't have to bother with this).
A temporary password is sent automatically by e-mail (and has to be changed on first log in, I think the system automatically requires that)
The edit rights are also given manually by me to all new accounts. --Kip (talk) 20:48, 25 March 2019 (CET)
So this needs to be changed. Well, let's see when there is enough time. I have quite some workload over here. --Sabine (talk) 13:56, 27 March 2019 (CET)
Twitter already links to the RA-special. I need to increase the number of supported languages weekly. You guys work too hard ;-))) Klaas `Z4␟` V:  17:52, 9 April 2019 (CEST)
I hope we can reach 1000 languages :) --Kip (talk) 00:39, 10 April 2019 (CEST)
Shared hope is double hope 8-D If we go on w this speed we reach milestone before our XIV anniversary early MMXX. In bocca al lupo, ragazzi! Klaas `Z4␟` V:  18:16, 28 May 2019 (CEST)


See my uP. I downloaded the newest list, but could not find a code that has a Wikipedia map-bms. Probably because it does not meet the criteria?
What we do?  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:26, 26 July 2019 (CEST)

When there is no ISO639-3 code, we can consider the Wikipedia code or Wiktionary code as the ISO 639-3 code (even if it is more than three characters). We have a few like this already (usually dialects). --Kip (talk) 01:28, 27 July 2019 (CEST)

Great! I was thinking the same, but just in case there would be a problem I asked. I'll add this one and one word at least I found by the latest WotD on Twitter Added. See Banyumasam. It seems we're now supporting more than 950 languages & dialects. Time to update mainPage? Proud of us ;-)

 Klaas `Z4␟` V:  10:33, 27 July 2019 (CEST)
I am currently adding a lot (more than 50) from the Wiktionary translations of "ear", but they will show up in the statistics only when I am finished and import the translations. --Kip (talk) 10:49, 27 July 2019 (CEST)
983 languages... so close :) --Kip (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2019 (CEST)
Kewl, Kip! What about updating mainPage to show the number eventually "on the fly"?  Klaas `Z4␟` V:  22:09, 9 August 2019 (CEST)
It is normally updated automatically after a while, but you can always add "?action=purge" to the url for a manual refresh (I just did). --Kip (talk) 22:15, 9 August 2019 (CEST)
Way2go, Kip. Merci beaucoup. Updated our TwitterProfile and tweeted about ear a few minutes. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  09:52, 10 August 2019 (CEST)