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singulare tantum & plurale tantum[edit]

If I am not mistaken, then these are rather subtypes of "noun" than attributes, i.e they are nouns and not adjectives. --dh 17:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand what you mean by that. We already have singulare tantum & plurale tantum, and they have been implemented as option attributes. I want to keep it that way, but only make these two annotations available if the word has been identified as a noun. --Kipcool 20:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
What I meant was that "singulare tantum" and "plurale tantum" are nouns, while all the other attributes in that list are adjectives, and for the sake of consistency I would like to either give adjectives that indicate that a noun has the property of a "singulare tantum" or a"plurale tantum", or make them a spezialization/sub-category of "noun" (like "mass noun", "proper name" etc.). --dh 21:31, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

other attributes/types of interest[edit]

  • noun
    • akronym (of)
    • initialism (of)
  • verb
    • frames

acronym / initialism[edit]

Can be done as well, I am just wondering if we want:

  • just a tag (i.e. one option in an option attribute) that says that a given noun is an acronym
  • or a text attribute "acronym of" where we can specify the full name. But the full name is also part of the etymology of the acronym. --Kipcool 20:47, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I'd like to have both: a drop down menu to choose an expression for cases where the akronym/initialism stands for an expression we have in the database (see Expression:ASAP for example), and a text field all other cases.
In this context: How should we deal with different pronounciations for cases where an expression can be both an initialism or an acronym (see Expression:ASAP again)? Two possibilities I see are:
  • We enter the expression twice.
  • We implement a way to connect POS (akronym or initialism in this case (are these POS?)), IPA, etymology and possibly other fields as well.
--dh 21:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I don't get why the dropdown box is necessary. It is already explained in the etymology why "ASAP" is named "ASAP". And the meaning is exaplained in the definition. So everything is already in one place. --Tosca 10:50, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
What I meant was that there should be some means to link akronym and the expression it stands for, as oposed to a mere plain text mentioning of it. Similar to having links to etymons in spite of them being already mentioned in plain text. A reason is that this would allow the creation of lists of akronyms/initialisms and the expressions they stand for. --dh 20:18, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Yes, but the thing is that acronyms and their extended forms are already linked anyway, because we treat them as synonyms. Expression:USA and Expression:United States of America go to the same DM. So another link would just go back to the same page. --Tosca 20:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
Sure, they are linked, but not explicitly since there also might be other synonyms in that list in addition to the extended form, and as I said, it would be nice to, for example, be able to generate a list that only lists akronyms and their extended forms. The link therefore is more for dumb computers than for humans that are intelligent enough to figure out that USA stands for "United States of America", though while I do not know about one, there might be cases where this is not so clear. --dh 21:12, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
  • We have another problem that, at the moment, it is not possible to link to a Syntrans (an expression-dm combination) but only to a DM. I know.. this is implementable..
  • Otherwise, I am not sure at the moment where to put acronym/initialism property, because they are not POS. for example, UFO is a noun, but ASAP is an adverb. --Kipcool 18:20, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

verb frames[edit]

What is it? --Kipcool 20:49, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Verb frames of proceed (in the sense of following a certain course) are:
  1. Something ---s
  2. Something ---s Adjective/Noun
Example: "The inauguration went well"
--dh 21:50, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
I still don't get it. Any Wikipedia article around? --Kipcool 18:13, 30 January 2010 (UTC)